Hazarth said Honestly, if someone wants to hire me based on some graph from a proprietary service owned by microsoft that I don't even use anymore, that's on them...

If they asked me I'd tell them that I'm using a self hosted git service for privacy and traffic reasons.,We are not in an "AI" era... We're in an ai hype train maybe, but nothing era defining happened yet. AI era will happen when everything is actually done by AI.,Do *not* engage romantically with a coworker.

9/10 times this ends badly. Don't shit where you eat no matter how nice she is. Trust me bro, look elsewhere.,@donkulator but It's likely someone already manufactured it and now you can all share the same filthy penetration fix,@Demolishun from my experience It's the guy that ultimately leaves the work after a failed attempt.,I had that, i stopped Putting ny phone in the pocket for a while and it went away. I also often had keys with my Phone in the same pocket so maybe that was a factor, im not doing that anymore now cause it scratched my screen once. Thus was like a decade ago or so,@jestdotty I know a guy that literally got obsessed with a coworker of his, stalking her on social media and got in contact with her, tried to ask her out and got rejected, and since then he was unable to work with her being even in the same building. He would tell me how stressed and sad he felt whenever he seen her around, he would get depressed, still stalking on FB, talking about how she Talks to other coworkers but not him... Just overall gor very bitter about the whole Situation. But he was also convinced he couldnt leave the job cause he though he wouldnt find another well paid job easily ( he was on a decently high engineering position, cause he's actually really good at what he does, though imo underpaid at his then position) took me months to convince him that he created a toxic environment for himself there and he should just find a new and better place. He did and he is better paid now and put that girl finally behind him.. but yeesh.. I warned...,Damn, you made me blow a little more air out of my nose than usual. It's funny, but It's also sad and true at the same time,Small tight-knit community of people with common hobbies and domain language.

I don't think free speech factors into it as much, I say my opinions out loud in your "standard" internet places too. I just come here for the parasocial relationships and dev related jokes and topics :shrug:,That being said, if this was some sort or woke snowflake safe space I wouldnt be here, not because of censorship but because I can't stand people like that for extended periods of time,Im using VS Code (VS Codium actually), though I am looking for alternatives but vim nor neovim never clicked with me,Ah, those are the cloud cages, where they catch clouds to run our platforms. The more you know!,maybe if he did whip you more you wouldn't be such a fucking little bitch!

jk, It just sounds funny in my head, kinda verbal slapstick humor,I never had these issues with KDE. Maybe I was just Lucky to draw a functioning desktop manager as my first distro.

Even Nvidia drivers work really well these days and install out of the box with apt or custom nvidia keyring,They are not code generators (or any generators) they are general purpose transformer language models. They don't generate, they transform. If you think about them like that, you will have more success. You need to give it a painfully precise specification of what you want and then they will do a decent job. That includes giving them specs of the libraries you want them to use if they are not popular and giving them examples and tables of the expected output.

No, It's not "prompt engineering" It's just normal enginnering, just in natural language. You still have to do the whole spec and design of you want anything decent,If only someone asked real engineers and designers first :))))),The more you know the more you understand you know nothing.

That's one big truth that never fails.

If you think you know, you're too young and inexperienced to know,Using google colab is free and you get one free T4 GPU there. Or you can pay to get access to more powerful gpus and tpus later. Bud for playing It's plenty. Though I do understand the desire to run your own HW.,Didn't this happen with samsung already? They made phones so thin they literally bent in peoples pockets when they sat down. Why repeat the same mistake again with apple this time?,I also really enjoy tuning performane and memory usage. Im looking into cuda programming right now. I tinkered with openCL in the past but now It's time to get serious about these optimizations on gpu.

But overall I think Im good in most software dev stuff, except frontends, I hate frontends,Im not sure, I just know. There's only a handful of people I consider true friends. It's usually people that don't want anything from me, because they are all skilled people. So if they actually do need something from time to time im actually happy to help. I never felt the emotion of wanting to help someone completely selflessly around people I don't consider friends. But as for what the criteria is Im not sure, probably intelligence, self sufficient, not a snowflake, good humor... Something like that,I also notices that even the o4 models is actually failing to finish generation now. Happened to me twice so far, it went completely off script in the middle of spitting my config.

I bet that without they hype they are downscaling the models to run cheaper and smaller models, while still charging the same for tokens. But alas that was to be expected, it's always about hooking the customers first and then slowing degrading and downscaling the service. like turning up the heat on a frog in a pot...

I'm glad I never got rolled into open AI in any way, shape or form. I'd rather stick with my small self-hosted but reliable models...,I still call mine master, and use black and whitelists. But for clusters I do like master/replica or master/worker better than master/slave since I see my machines more as replicating workers than slaves. 

I don't think the conputers get much offended by any of these though,I had my own service called Void. It's down now due to downscaling my services and bills but it was about shouting stuff into the void. Essentially a temporary short message bulletin board. You'd write a message, max 256 chars, it would get persisted on the server and shown publically, but it would be erased without a trace after 5 minutes. So no matter what you wrote in frustration it would be gone without consequences or traceability later. Was kinda poetic and I created it out of frustration in the first place.

One day I was shouting something there and then decided to look if there are other places similar to that, if other devs had a space they would use to vent.. which is how I found DevRant literally by googling "developer ranting" or venting or something like that. Pretty straightforward path led me here xD,@Demolishun heh, didn't think about that. Was mostly a service for my own use, though it was Public. 

Heh, next time I'll think about how I can keep it public without being searchable or screenable, could be a fun challenge

@retoor 
Oh, actually was still linked there, I removed it since It's down rn anyway :D thanks for trying it out though,How do you know It's because of vowels?

Maybe more people clicked because they seen a new name they never heard about?

Maybe they just don't click your colleagues mails because they already know what it will contain and don't care?

Any other tests were ran?,I sleep exactly 8 hours. When I sleep less my energy levels start depleting and I can only handle a day or two of less sleep before I'm borderline unusable

I sometimes sleep more, but that's usually in response to sleeping too little before or going to sleep late, which happens often due to my ADHD brain who can't let go of a task no matter what time it is until it's sufficiently finished,same, but I'm keeping it in check, because being a condescending asshole usually has the opposite effect and ends up hurting both me and the other side.

but yeah, I'm happy that it's slowing down right now... but don't hold your breath just yet. I'm pretty sure Jensen Huang or Sam Altman will come with some kind of new buzzword to bring the people back to their side... And hey, it worked 4 times already, I have no reason to think anything else would happen if they do it again,@retoor I don't think Sid implies It's not here to stay. But the fact is "AI" is being sold to the masses as something It's not. It's not even AI for godsake, It's just an LLM. Those are not equal. A weather model is not an AI, a physics model is not an AI, but Sam Altman is happy to tell you that a language model is a super intelligent AI, close to AGI, the future is now blah blah blah...

A langugage model is useful as fuck for working with NLP problems... But they pretend It's so much more,@retoor I can run python scripts with 2 clicks instead or using a massive gpu to run a language model to generate a json that hopefully runs that script.

I can also google such Scripts without the need or the same llm... It's more accessible when you put an LLM interface in front of a library of scripts or if you get lucky and your ask is simple enough that the model seen in at least a couple hundred times to rewrite or modify it slightly. But then we're still just talking about the llm being an interesting model. It's also more than just a sum of It's parts because some form of logic is an emergent property of a language by definition. So It's able to fake thought because It's modeling it. But Its capabilities are vastly overblown. OpenAI is a business, and a predictable one at that. The strategy of making it free at first to hook people and then ramping the price, the fake demos, the neverending hype generation.

Don't be fooled. It's a cool model, but that's all we have so far,I mean, Im using LLMs myself. I absolutely love the ability to transform NL problems into formatted data and back. The models are excelent. This is the one task that Transformers were made to do, and they do it well. Im in no way an AI hater or denier or whatever. But Im really annoyed that the big tech companies are massively abusing peoples naivete and ignorance to build up empty hype and line their pockets with money in exchange for promises and a massive electrical and CO2 bill. It's exhausting watching people fall for the same scam again. Fucking google engineers talking about sentient AIs in the labs, faked demos with fake remorse later, inflation valuations based on endless exponential growth with massive layoffs later, tons of scammers and opportunists abusing the tech to trick others, a new buzzword every month to keep the obedient sheep shilling out more money for the newest model that actually performs worse. This shit just never ends because people are not willing to learn,@retoor so much this. The ads and also the overhyped channels on YouTube have an extreme effect on people, including me. The more I can avoid it the less stressed I am on average. But Im also more and more angry that this is the default state for society and we just allow this to be done to millions of others, especially young and impressionable minds. It just pisses me off that we get more and more research into how detrimental "modern internet" is to peoples psyche and yet no one is doing anything to control or stop it. And the hype around AI is just the newest trend that makes the exploitation worse and as far as Im concerned it should be illegal to pull these stunts. Im pretty sure around 60% of official info on AI should fall under false advertising and should cost them millions whenever It's revealed :/ Peoples privacy, mental health and Security should be more important than money overall, but it isn't and it really makes me want to start a revolution,My conspiracy theory is that retoor is actually also controlling the spam bots, so she could swoop in with the anti-spam-bots and become our beloved god and savior.

Create a problem and sell the solution!,@Demolishun or just make a game that's too hard or too slow and then sell the boosts and equipment to players. It's a legit strategy, if it exists at that level it probably exists at all levels to some degree :^),Midlife crisis , they all do it for the same reason why they buy yachts they rarely use, or cars that can go 350km/h despite road limit being 50~180 or whatever country you live in...,You cache a whole lot of stuff, I'd recommend to add logs to the cache function you have and watch if it doesn't recache stuff. I'll have to check more closely once I wake up,I don't know whats my brain thinking, but after reading your rant i thought you are an inmate in prison (behind bars) and they are open thanks to the power outages (electric locks) so you gonna just walk out and do something (maybe escape?),Hey Bruno Mars, how are you?,Honestly, the spam Hurts a lot. It leaves a pretty sour taste in my mouth.

Also the fact that @dfox abandoned this place... It might make sense to move to other platforms,@retoor I wouldnt exactly call it "objective". The models are bent to be overly happy and supporting as well us biased on most topics towards positive or desirable outcomes. We deliberately remove the objectively in exchange for comfort and safespaces.,@retoor Wait, Did you train the model yourself? Or just finetuned? or what?

I thought you were using the OpenAI api,@retoor well ok, but system messages are not enough to have an unbiased bot. they "pre-heat"  the generation to steer it into a more narrow search space for generation, but it's the actual training data that matters. And that training data was made by open AI and skewed further by RLHF with people that were specifically asked to provide a certain kind of output. This mainly applies to conversational models, which are not just trained on plain data like "The Pile" but that are trained on turn based conversations using templates and human crafted inputs as well as filtering out unwanted data and statistics.

Which means the models trained this way are inherently biased because they only seen the data that open AI wanted it to see and anything "bad" was further suppressed with RLHF. Your system prompt is ultimately subservient to the actual models bias. uncensored models are better in this regard, but I can't vouch for that either. Keep that in mind when you think of it as "objective",it's beautiful,nope,Honestly, Id rather leave it on and ignore it. That was it costs them money and cpu time even though it doesn't drive any more interest or clicks. And if this is the default experience they want then so be it. I got pretty good at ignoring AI slop these days.

Have you noticed there's an AI summary below YouTube videos now too? Running these models is gonna cost them a lot and It's not going to be doing anything for anyone :),@retoor yep, that's why I use AdNauseam. It blocks ads while also covertly clicking on them to waste the money,The PM doesn't matter. You're the engineer in the room, so you tell them how to do your work, not the other way around :D but yeah, they can be like that sometimes, but I wouldnt let it sour my mood too much,It's not our fault that the world is round and turns around It's axis! :D,Instructions unclear, I got into IT and now I can't get out :(,Honestly, I don't want sports, hobbies and glasses paid.... I want the society to change to a system that doesn't require me to sit and stare at a screen nonstop for 8 hours. Of which home office is a great improvement, but in general companies should get comfortable with people just not being online all the time and being more result oriented rather than presence oriented... so I could go for an actual hike or something during the day and then work later without people being sus why I'm away/offline or if I'm gonna make some dumb meeting :) Needs a systemic change,I used to click that button every once and then on windows XP. I don't remember why though. I think it sometimes fixed some icons drawing weird or something, but maybe I just liked to know that the desktop is responding and drawn correctly. I legit can't remember,"Love" is a bit of a strong word. My passion is systematically being beaten out of me by all these meetings, stupid bugs clients etc, all the ever changing tech and AI that is driving is into a void of bad code etc... 

but yeah, you could still say that I get paid for doing something that at least comes pretty easy to me and I find it intuitive, so I can do my job quickly and effectively and then use the rest of the time to relax or do something else, and that's pretty cool. Though sometimes I really feel like I'd rather trade some of this mental work for manual labor, this shit can be really taxing sometimes and then anxiety can lasts for days and affects sleep so that's one downside,Pretty sure this was the plot of "Future Man" which is a really funny comedy series I recommend.

Eitherway, the guy was trying to save the world by time travel only to find out that every time he traveled he essentially traveled to a different reality/universe/world, so every time he fucked things up, he was just fucking up more and more distinct worlds,So that's why you can put a square peg into a round hole. Reality is not strong typed :(,It's not intelligence anyone than behavioral trees. They are still just language models, not anything purpose built for thinking. Even their "reasoning" models just work by doing a couple of rounds of generation instead of just one, but It's the same illusion. If you generate coherent human language it will by necesity look inteligent, because It's en emergent property of langauge. The right words in the right order have to make sense whether or not they were ordered by a human that gave it actual thought or whether its a machine that seen a similar input sequence trillions of time and the similarly ordered output fits. Don't forget that humans are pattern oriented, we can see the face of christ in the right baked toast, doesn't mean the toaster knew what it was doing.,How low level?,@12bitfloat oh neat. I did some small stuff with Vulkan but didn't get too deep. Though I did make my own game engine with OpenGL in the past, also including shaders. Was fun for a while, but yeah, the overhead compared to just using SDL or Raylib gets a bit old eventually,I read a good comment recently: "DeepSeek is more Open AI than OpenAI" and that is I suppose the core of the problem.

Deep seek is just some side project of one of their engineers and It's cheaper and more available than OpenAI where they pretend It's so expensive to run these models, when in reality it was long obvious they have overblown models.

Regarding safety, R1 is a safe model but since It's open source uncensored versions already exist.

Also Im not sure about tooling. I remeber reading that it supports tools, but the community has issues running them right now? Something like that. But then again, It's an open source model that's relatively cheap to train. Adding tool_call examples to the training data is trivial at this point,Actually you just need some vodka and an old rag. Doesn't help the macbook much but I sure care less about how it looks after that fun,The world is too heated up by politics and right now we're too divided and too upset to have a calm discourse. I don't think It's bad to have politics free zones where people can again find Something that connects them rather than divide them, at least in the gaming space where It's mostly about escapism. And to be honest, if a group of like-minded people want to keep the chat politics free, who are you to judge? It's part of a free and democratic community to set their own internal rules

The blocking though, I completely agree. The shit where you are shadow banned, or blocked, or canceled for saying the smallest thing, even calmly and well researched... That's a problem. That's why we call people snowflakes now,@TrayKnots why? There would still be places where politics are discussed on purpose and people would go in ready for a political discussion.

Why is it better to force people to talk about politics when and where they don't want to? You are just going to get a bunch of people that are going to close off, dismiss you or you gonna catch them off guard leading to nothing but heated and emotional reactions.

How is this any better for democracy compared to just talking about politics at the right time and place with people that want to do it and are opened for a discussion?,Sanity Check:
Do you watch TikTok, Instagram or other short video content?,@retoor if you deliver a codebase of prompts instead of code I would fire you on the spot,That did tell me everything you need to know: the other devs are incompetent :D,String isnt the issue. But the column is likely not using a unique key constraint.

I bet they handle it in code with something dumb like a query to check of the number exists before generation. So they could still be de-duplicating it in code, just not using a proper schema. Ideally it should be both, but the lower the level where the security is enforced the better. I doubt Elon went over all the code just to check,You can't train an LLM without giving it knowledge. If you wanted to train an LLM for a game NPC you would likely need to first simulate thousands of years of written History for that game world. That's the only way to avoid any spill-over from our real world.

It's much more practical to fine tune or to use RAG though RAG is one of the worst ways for a game. It will likely keep breaking out of character constantly because It's still an internet trained llm, just with added references. As if you handed an actor a script and told them to check the script for relevant info whenever they respond. So if you ask anything Off Script they have no choice to break character.

Fins tuning on the other hand is more complex, but it means you will essentially train the llm to be more like the training data. It's as if you sent your actor to the place/time they are supposed to act out and have them stay there for a while to learn the culture and language more.,I make my own mayo at home, it's delicious, so much better than the store bought stuff!

Maybe instead of starving to death you should try a "make everything from scratch" diet! Would be more fun than just not eating anything. Could start your own garden and see if you can survive before the first crops xD...,Dude, the immigrants are all lazy and they just want to steal our jobs >:c,@TrayKnots Such a good show tbh,@Lensflare what @jestdotty said :),Depends on the prompter too. If the dev keep asking the right questions he gets the right answers. They might even optimize the prompt enough to refuse saying non-game stuff for the obviously bad questions... But if you gonna have hundreds or thousands of players, someone is gonna Break it sooner or later. That's the best you can hope for with this technology with RAGs and to a lesser extent fine-tunes and LoRAs. 

I personally think LLMs are simple not a good match for interactive game dev yet (possibly ever). They can be useful to generate a lot of secondary dialogue that you then clean up and integrate with the game. But having it be live & self hosted, distributed with the game binary? Just No... You'll get a pretty mediocre game that weights at 5GB+ and the characters talk nonsense, reveal secrets and break immersion. I keep experimenting with LLMs for game dev, but so far nothing "sparks joy" as they say. Never good enough for my standards,@Demolishun I love Maiq!

Maybe that's a good character to be played by AI. Just one off character that makes pretty much no sense xD,@retoor Nah, there's also NuGet and Chotolatey on windows which are kinda the same idea to Snap or Flatpack

there's also the normal Windows Store (I think it uses NuGet in the backend but not sure) Which makes it pretty similar to any GUI app manager on Linux, like Discover

The only analogy that I think windows is missing is AppImage. Those are similar to Apples DMG packages. I don't know of a windows pre-packaged app format. Maybe there is something? not sure

It's not something super related to Linux only, though it's most obvious on Linux because you'll end up using Snap or Flatpack way more for anything that's outdated on Apt/Rpm,@retoor As far as I know yes, linux had package managers first and windows bought into it later.

Though NuGet was available really early with Visual Studio, I remember installing additional dependencies with NuGet back in 2015, but apparently NuGet was released as far as 2010. To my knowledge that was the first official package manager for windows.

I didn't mean to imply that Windows Store apps are out-of-date. I mean that linux APT or RPM package managers often have out of date packages, which is why something like Snap or Flatpack comes in handy, as they usually carry official stable releases of apps and libs as well as bleeding edge stuff :D,@TrayKnots althought. you could make the argument that since you can install "snap" and "flatpak" via apt/rpm you can still get the source security, because the official distro repo is a trusted source, and then snap and flatpak become trusted sources via being installed by the official repo in the first place.

I can't talk to the reliability of the content on snap and flatpak though, but at least for stuff like VLC or similar, you're unlikely to get anything dangerous, as they are officially maintained,Fluffernox is the only passable one to be fair. And even then it looks like one of those throwaway pokemons that are not really specialist at anything,Most recipe keeping app already do this. Recipes often have the number of servings mentioned, so recipe apps let you scale the serving up or down and update the amounts since It's a simple scaling operation.

Yes, you will get results like 1/3rd of an egg, but that's up to you as a cook to resolve, either really use just 1/3rd or decide that maybe use 1 whole but small one,@Tounai I am already```